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Killteam Campaign - August, 2015
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August 26, 2015
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Reserved for Kill Team active campaign discussion:

Kill Team Campaign Rules Pack v5.1 - PDF

Kill-Team-Campaign-Rules-Pack-v5.docx

Kill-Team-Campaign-Rules-Pack-v7.docx

Kill-Team-Campaign-Rules-Pack-v10.docx

Kill-Team-Campaign-Rules-Pack-v11.docx

Kill-Team-Campaign-Rules-Pack-v12.docx

  • Updated Zombie 'Freedom from Flesh' rule

Kill-Team-Campaign-Rules-Pack-v13.docx

  • Updates to the Fixer, Medic, squad-wide abilities and equipment, as well as blessings/maledictions
August 26, 2015
12:06 pm
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So. How about them ammo rolls?

August 26, 2015
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Asmodai said

So. How about them ammo rolls?

They pretty much ensure the dominance of hordes (who usually have the best guns for ammo rolls: stubs and las), as low-model teams will have a tough time when their best option (firepower) goes belly up.

Looking forward to playtesting it out, though.

August 26, 2015
2:57 pm
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Yeah I have an extreme ammo roll case we can test out this evening. If it's too terrible I may roll 25 shoota boyz

August 27, 2015
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I played 3 games last night with Asmodai, with the OP ruleset using ammo rolls and morale tests. Game 1 was a slaughter; my plague marines got mowed down by Black Knight bikes that ignored difficult/dangerous terrain and had 3+ cover saves and TW plasma. I had some crappy dice and could have deployed better, but the outcome would not have changed.

Game 2 pitted my Plague Marines against Astra Militarum. Ammo rolls disabled the Autocannon heavy wpns team after the first shot, and break checks routed the rest of my opponent's forces in the last turn, leaving me one plague marine to claim victory.

Game 3 was a slaughter, but this time by Noise Marines routed SM bikes (not Black Knights). The blast master went 3/3 in killing bikes with str 8 AP3 ignores cover, while the sonic blasters whittled down the remaining. Break tests were luckily not an issue.

My thoughts:

  1. Ammo rolls as-is are painful and not that fun. They do tend to forge a narrative, so perhaps teams should not roll for ammo issues until the start of turn 3-4. Or, perhaps a failed roll just means that they can't shoot for one turn? This needs some tweaking.
  2. Break tests provide some paper/rock/scissors for hordes, as they do help to offset the benefits of running large squads (which typically have low leadership). However, rather than simply removing a failed model from the board, they should just fall back and have to regroup (similar to regular 40K games). Again, I was running fearless units so it was not an issue for my army; but, it did cost my opponent a win on game 2.
  3. The shorter games are fun! Plus, hilarity ensued during our in-game antics, as we forged a rather comical narrative (mainly from the results of horrendous ammo rolls early in the game).
August 27, 2015
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My 2 cents:

For some reason I thought that the black knights would be ammo rolling out on turn 1 but only 1 of 5 really had the issue. While it didn't seem to effect that list terribly, it was catastrophic for the Guard auto cannon and would have been for my plasma guy if I had not got a lucky 6. The ammo roll definitely adds an almost 2nd edition ork codex feel to the end game. At the end of the day I would play with it either way as it was the source of a lot of hilarity but it does really hurt low model count armies. 

There was some question as to whether vehicles needed ammo rolls or not. If so we need to add multi laser and Las gun array to the ammo roll chart among others. 

Auto cannon

grav guns

blast master

sonic youth (whatever that noise marine gun is)

 

August 29, 2015
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Jose and I had a good game between Guard and Tau yesterday. Some takeaways:

-coup d'grace is a good dynamic, not automatic but saves time on combats

-two large model count teams make for a long game

-the pinning check is much better than just auto pinning, you'll still have plenty of guys hitting the dirt but your whole team is unlikely to ever be completely immobilized because the enemy pew pewed at them.

-ammo checks (if we're doing them) need sniper rifles added to the list. I think we played them as 4+ and that worked well.

-on ammo checks, both my gun drones ran out of ammo and were reduced to attempting CDG on down enemies. I think between the two they went 3/4 on those plus another managed to gun down a ratling.

-really like the serious injury chart, we only lost one member apiece to the "dead" option and some cool perks/modifiers came up. 

-we had questions on taking wounds while down. If you had multiple unsaved wounds we rolled once and applied the result to all the flesh wounds. Seemed to work, and it was fairly common to happen with all the shooting we were doing.

I think that's the gist of it, we played the headhunter mission but never leader was ever in danger. I killed 2 specialists to his 1 and got first blood for a 3-1 win. Very fun mission and those hotshot lasguns can be vicious if they catch you in the open.

September 1, 2015
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John, I liked your squad split idea. It works for most lists unless Brian is saying that you have max out 1 troop choice AND have enough for the minimum of squad 2 before you can add additional squads.

September 1, 2015
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Yeah I think it makes sense from a logistics perspective as well as a fluff perspective. You'll split off into smaller fire teams before you max out one big squad. And you gain quicker access to upgrades. I won't have many upgrades for fire warriors but I could see it benefitting any squad that have weapon limitations.

September 2, 2015
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I dunno. Part of the mantra of Kill Team is the weapons limitations. It is a game, not a simulation.

September 2, 2015
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John,

 I'm going to go with you have to buy the minimum size squad for whichever slot you're aiming at. Either way you're paying the same. Plus it makes it easier for record keeping. You're not going "well this week they're in squad one, and next week they now broke off and suddenly have three new buddies and are squad 2". I like to keep things streamlined and simple.

 

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September 3, 2015
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Cool that works, just means my first 54 cred are going towards a Crisis suit! 🙂

September 28, 2015
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Version 11 of the rules has been added to the OP.

 

'[Roland Durendal] added an additional special rule for Zombies, refined the "+d6 for Surviving" EXP bonus to get rid of "Out of Action" and make it "Down" instead (dead dudes getting bonuses doesn't seem right) and added in EXP gains for the winning team in all missions to try and encourage more aggressive play / try to win the missions.'

October 16, 2015
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Version 13 is now on the OP!

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